. >> we are having the conversation because of the debt and deficit levels that the country is facing . someone on the democraticic side saying keep them and extend . republicans saying we have to cut somewhere. that's a real discussion. >> if i told you there was a program that cost you 30 billion and returned 18 billion to the economy and so had a net cost of 12 billion and supported 400,000 jobbings, you would say that is a good idea it is it not a matter of reducing the deficit because in congress we have people extending tax cuts that further blow a hole in the debt ceiling. >> i don't want to be cruel, christian. i don't want to be curt. every dollar comes back as a $1.90 a. forget about the stock market and investing and put our money in unemployment benefits. it is it resting on a complete fallacy of economics that conequals wealth. it is the same that pelosi and you. cash for clunkers and house stimulus . shovem ready stimulus jobbings. >> johnathon. why don't you listen to mark sand zandy of moody who advised john mccain's presidential anything. it is nothing to do with a pr